Kilroy

[mazza]

So 'Kilroy' has been taken off the screen for the forseeable...

Do we care?

I can't say that I do! :salut:

Apparently the BBC's ratings have gone up at that time of day now :lol: .

Perhaps ITV will get the hint and bin Trisha too (but then, Bo Selecta! just would not be the same without her ! :lol: )

;)

[Matthew]

Personally, he's not my taste in programmes I have to admit and can live without the BBC1 Slot........ :blink:

Also, since the fantastic Alistair McGowan sketch where he impersonates Kilroy, I've never been able to look at him in quite the same way again. :lol:

[hollygolightly]

I like(d) it :blush: :D :rolleyes:

[Klaxon man]

People going on screen to slog out very private and personal problems?

I'm to embarrassed for them to the point that I cannot even begin to watch the degradation that they put themselves through. :errrm:

[Annabel]

I dont think its any great loss, on the occcasion i did watch it i used to get very wound up at how inevitably the programme would descend into shouting matches..not my idea of a reasoned and sensible debate. the ocrresponding programme on ITV was just as bad...

dont like Kilroy's laconic drawling style of presentation anyway.

[sapphirelily10]

I think he has a very condescending and supercilious manner about him; strangely he seems to have a big fan base :blink: . I admit to having watched it, partly because I am driven to watch debate on certain issues, and partly to see what the good citizens of this country think about things. That, in itself, often has my eyes popping out of my head :lol:

I didn't even know it had been taken off ;)

Sapph

[Beth]

bearing in mind that the Kilroy team were intrested in this site and did contact us several times



(dont want to burn bridges here guys!!)

[Annabel]

I see what you are saying beth, but the programmes they did run on neighbour disputes wasnt exactly helpful...it just took delight in winding the people up and watching them fly off the handle, and that doesnt help anyone one bit, probably made their problems worse....

i know this is gonna sound weird, but i liked Esther Rantzens show she used to have in the afternoons,. she had a panel of people who had experienced various problems, there was usually a good balance of opinions and esther used to control the audience well.

i am sure if she had done a prog on NFH problems it would have been worthwhile watching, not the sensationalist free for all that Kilroy presides over (no matter what issue is being 'discussed')...but not just him, the other show on ITV as well was exactly the same (and I still cant recall its name)!!!!!

[Eskander]

I'm sorry his programme has been stopped.

Why?

Because the argumentative twits in the studio audience are now out on the street where I might bump into them ;)

[mazza]

:lol: @eskander!!

I used to gawp agog at Kilroy, and the like too when they first came out. Then I found myself continually frowning at the telly and feeling actually depressed at what I had just seen... :unsure:

My main problem with Kilroy (well, all of them really) was that there just never seemed to be any resolution to anything. His conclusions (if you can call them that) at the end of every show didn't particularly conclude anything most of the time, it left a sort of bad taste in the mouth really. :(

Never really saw Esther - sounds like a bit of a better format tho' . :)

[Mistyeyeddreamer]

I used to like Kilroy. But it was getting a bit stale. I'd only watch progs that were about something I was interested in and they were few and far between.

I think chat shows like Kilroy, Tricia and all those endless American ones are boring, banal, trash, oh, I can't be bothered thinking of any more adjectives :P

If Kilroy doesn't come back, some will miss him, some will not. I won't.

Misty

[Blue Cow]

I liked Kilroy :)

And I miss it :(

[mazza]

Oh well Kilroy fans...he has resigned as a presenter over this Arab comments thing.

I am not sure how I feel about that - my main problem was with the actual programme format and editorial, not the bloke himself.

Is it right that he is not allowed to have an opinion elsewhere from the BBC?

Were his comments acceptable?

For those who don't know about this, he has a Column in the Daily Express and made comments about how terrible the Arab regime is- said they repress women, torture people, mutilate them etc. And now certain sections of the country are up-in-arms about his.

Where does the freedom of speech come into this? How does it fit in with race laws?

I think that he has explained his statements and a reasoned debate should follow, not a knee jerk reaction and shouts of inciting racial hatred!

:unsure:

[Mistyeyeddreamer]

Were his comments acceptable?
I think they would be acceptable if he had made clear he was talking about Arab states rather than Arabs per se. In some Arab/Muslim states women are second class citizens and amputation is a form of punishment. Having said that, not all Arabs are muslim and not all muslims are Arabs.


I think that he has explained his statements and a reasoned debate should follow, not a knee jerk reaction and shouts of inciting racial hatred!

I agree with you. It has got to the point where anybody who raises a question about, for instance, the number of illegal immigrants in the country, will immediately be labelled a racist. Racism is the new witchcraft.

The right of free speech in this country was a long hard fought battle and many people died for the principle. However, free speech is one thing, inciting racial hatred is another. But did Kilroy incite racial hatred? I suppose that is for a court to decide. But I get a very queasy feeling when Trevor Phillips says he doesn't think Kilroy is a racist yet he wants him prosecuted. The CRE have a vested interest in proving racism exists across the board. Yet they themselves have not be averse to USING racism to promote their cause.

When people are afraid to voice their concerns then we have entered a society that uses fear to control. And that is not a society I really want to be part of. It feels like we're in a Big Brother society where thought crimes are punished.

'The enemies of intellectual liberty always try to present their case as a plea for discipline versus individualism.... [but] to write in plain, vigorous language one has to think fearlessly, and if one thinks fearlessly one cannot be politically orthodox.'**** ––George Orwell

Misty

[Tina]

I find him a bit annoying, but its never stopped me watching every morning :lol:

[Mistyeyeddreamer]

were his comments worse what Ann Robinson about the Welsh?


I can't understand the furore that ensued after Anne Robinson made her comments about the Welsh. She actually said they were clever and could sing, implying that she was neither clever nor could she sing. So what was racist about that? I'd be happy if someone said that about me :P

I used to watch a couple of Welsh soaps, one was A55, can't remember the name of the other, both in Welsh with English subtitles and I was fed up with the number of time people from Liverpool were denigrated. But I didn't write any letters of complaint, I'd just have been passed off as 'another whingeing scouser' :P

Misty_whingeing_again

[FARM CROW]

From Farm Crow:

Kilroy's sacking is a national disgrace. Thousand's of us want the world to return to its old ways, to return to its old values, we know what these values are, and its wrong that we are voices crying in the widerness. Voices of doom perhaps, but warning voices that one day must be heard. More and more frequently we find ourselves saying THIS IS NOT MY ENGLAND.

The Arab world is an ideal target and a rightful target for adverse comment.

There rulers buy racehorses at Keeneland Sales for £12 million pounds,
are we not allowed to say - there goes 5 good modern schools. They flaunt their private Jets and their gold plated Rolls Royces. isn't it right we should remark on this - and point out that 3 private jets equals 1 hospital. We see their children in rags and barefotted, their wives can be stoned and divorced on a whim, they are kept confined to the kitchen, their daughters are 2nd class citizens, they even name their schools and amateur football teams after their local Suicide Bomber.

They view collectively the WTC massacre as a blow for Islam, a courageous act.

They claim the West supports Israel, but fail to mention that Israel offered the Palestinians a secure homeland, a state defended by Israel, this was the last thing they wanted. Why, because the high level of World Bank Hush Money loans might stop. Palestines and all highly populated Arab states have been on the world DHSS/ Bankrupt list for years. Yet, their neighbours, Displaced Homeless Citizens, scarred by the Holocaust, Jews withour shoes, got out their shovels, rolled up their sleeves and planted lettuces, cabbages, and orange groves in hostile hills, and being Jewish they got the sewing machines humming again, and again and again. As Foreign Aid done them anygood - it has - it enabled Yasser Arafat to salt away $300 million dollars. Need i go on. Kilroy was right to speak out, to say enough's enough.


FARM CROW


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[sapphirelily10]

Well, I suppose we all have different views.

I, personally, find it extremely sweeping to say that the Arab states all do the things mentioned in this thread, and therefore that
"The Arab world is an ideal target and a rightful target for adverse comment."

We have all seen reports of some of these activities in the media in relation to particular countries, but that doesn't automatically mean that all of it is true in relation to all Arab states. Some of those states probably have some of the best medical care in the world, with high literacy rates, low unemployment rates, low infant mortality rates, etc.

The inference that being Jewish somehow equates with an innate industriousness is another sweeping generalisation, although I can see how being displaced and left with nothing might make any people have to graft hard to improve their lives.

In some Arab states, things I might not personally agree with may be forms of punishment, but then parts of the U.S. have different forms of the death penalty that I find quite barbaric.

Women as second-class citizens? That's why the UK has laws on sex discrimination....because women are treated/have been treated as second-class citizens the world over. And those laws are still frequently applied today, because, guess what? It still happens here too. We have laws to deal with different forms of discrimination, because all sorts of people may be treated as second-class citizens in this very society that we live in. I'm not sure that i know what "MY ENGLAND" is supposed to be.

I'm not disagreeing that some countries may have regimes that suppress certain groups of people, including women. I just don't think I can say with any certainty that it's all Arab states, nor can I say that it's not the case in many other non-Muslim or non-Arab states.

Just another point of view.


Sapph :)

[Annabel]

how about we put our own house in order before we go round slating other people's ways of life?

[vernon]

I agree with sapphirelily looking at things objectively ...
my two pence would be:

i haven't seen this killroy thing for myself, i am only replying to what farm crow has put.

There rulers buy racehorses at Keeneland Sales for £12 million pounds,
are we not allowed to say - there goes 5 good modern schools. They flaunt their private Jets and their gold plated Rolls Royces. isn't it right we should remark on this - and point out that 3 private jets equals 1 hospital.

The very same can be said about the royal family we have here ...
1 buckingam palace = many schools etc ...

Or any rich person in any part of the world, george W. and what he has done to the economy/ enviromental policies of america with his dealings [ cough enron cough].

As if britain is the paradigm for moral and social evolution, nothing is as easily categorized as has been inferred.

I think there are certain problems in certain arab states ..there is no denying that, but what country is perfect, shall we look at gun crime in the US ?
And how can any one person say collectively how another group view something unless you have spoken to every person?

i am not at all saying there has not been very bad things done by leaders in that part of the world, i just don't see how such general statements can be substantiated.

[/end of two pence]

[Maria2]

whoops....here I go.

Do we not have in this Country a Freedom of Speech and the Freedom of the Press?

Isn't it the views of a paper what makes it sell? At the end of the day isn't it the Editors job to decide what is printed and not printed?

As for the Kilroy prog itself, its a bit like the Trish show in some ways i think trying to copy the Jerry Springer format but just not quite being able to do it..

[Annabel]

OK Folks, I think we maybe should draw a line under this one and move on!!!

:)