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Matthew
04-11-03, 06:02 PM
A Wednesbury man was today cleared of murdering a neighbour who he stabbed in the heart during a street battle ignited by the victim's brother.

Read the story in full online at NFHiB. (http://www.nfh.org.uk/news/index.php?category=all&id=462)

Neighboured
04-11-03, 08:59 PM
This is what ultimately happens when councils say: "Oh, no. Let's not do anything." When the police say: "Oh, no. Let's not do anything." When social services say: "Oh, no. Let's not do anything." When the courts say: "Oh, no. Let's not do anything." For years, and years and years. :rant:

I'll bet there are people in Wednesbury who are shaking their heads saying: "I could have told them this would happen, eventually." :sad:

hollygolightly
04-11-03, 09:13 PM
I read it as being more of a family feud, nothing really to do with the local authority.

All this over a relationship and probably some stupid remark passed between two families like chinese whispers that just grew out of all proportion and culminated in a tragic murder.

Childish behaviour. If people learned to communicate better with each other this kind of tragedy need not happen, IMO.

Beth
04-11-03, 09:32 PM
I had to do jury service once and even though we knew the guy did it, we had to have 100% certainty that he did actually do it

which we didnt

so he got off, its not easy when you are in that situation.

the judge says to the jury you must make a decision without a shadow of a doubt whether he is guilty or not guilty, if you have a single doubt then you must find him not guilty

Blue Cow
04-11-03, 10:22 PM
Hi Beth,

Isn't it reasonable doubt, or is that just in films? ;)

Blue Cow

Beth
04-11-03, 10:25 PM
thats the phrase I was looking for!

and yes they really do say it!! :lol:

Blue Cow
04-11-03, 10:27 PM
Whew - at least my life isn't all nappies and telly (or is it??) :D :unsure:

rockbank
05-11-03, 09:03 AM
I read it as being more of a family feud, nothing really to do with the local authority.

I don't think so reading the story, unless you mean a dispute between families which is probably a large proportion of the stories on this board.

The article doesn't go into detail but it states that there had been a campaign of harassment so I go along with Neighboured comments.

All because those authorities that we report these issues to won't act. Is it any wonder that this kind of situation develops?

I sincerely hope David Blunkett has heard about this story. I'm still waiting for these initiatives of his against anti-social behaviour to take effect.

I think cases like this highlight even more the need for NFHiB. Its been a huge help to me and to others who are being affected by similar problems.

Eskander
05-11-03, 12:14 PM
I don't think it's wise to generalise over an issue like this especially since the article does not go into detail. I would say that it is very unusual for someone to be "discharged" when there would appear to be no doubt that he fatally stabbed another. I would imgine that there must have been very strong mitigating circumstances. Even then the more normal course would have been a lesser charge, say manslaughter or GBH.

Oh, and I think it is "beyong all reasonable doubt" for a criminal case and "on the balance of probabilities" in a civil case.