View Full Version : Pub is too noisy says neighbour
jrobertson
06-03-08, 09:03 AM
www.hemeltoday.co.uk (http://www.hemeltoday.co.uk) - hemel today - 06 March 2008
Pub is too noisy says neighbour (http://www.hemeltoday.co.uk/langleys/Pub-is-too-noisy-says.3847802.jp)
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Constant noise: Virginia Gilmer in the garden of her home at Whitlars Drive, Kings Langley, which backs onto the gardens of the Young Pretender pub (08-258-19).
By Victoria West
A Kings Langley resident claims she is unable to enjoy her back garden because of the racket coming from a nearby pub.
Virginia Gilmer, of Whitlars Drive, says noise problems have escalated since The Young Pretender pub - formerly Millers - was refurbished last summer.
The rear of the Hempstead Road pub backs onto her garden.
"It is right in my back garden. I can hear it even through my double glazed windows," she said.
Noise includes the smashing of glass bottles being thrown away, delivery lorries arriving and unloading and noise from the pub's kitchen.
Miss Gilmer said: "I can't have my back doors open or my back windows open at all. There is constant noise.
"The noise is there all the time and it is infuriating. I cannot go in my back garden because of all the crashing and banging."
Deputy manager at the pub Neil Hayes said: "We're very much a community pub and being a good neighbour is very important to us. We're taking these comments very seriously and have already sugge
sted several ways to monitor and minimise noise including putting in sound monitoring equipment to check noise levels.
"We've also been consulting with other neighbours to get their views and are working with the Environment Agency.
"The lady in question has suggested erecting a 60ft fence which is not feasible for many reasons including planning regulations.
"However, we still remain confident of finding a solution to the benefit of both parties."
A spokesman for Dacorum Borough Council said several complaints about noise from the pub have been investigated but have concluded that there is no statutory nuisance.
I have heard a lot of these stories recently, it seems to have got worse since the smoking ban as drinkers are now gethering outside the pubs and bringing their noise with them :(
Mt parents live next door to a pub separated by a yard and since the smoking ban the landlord has put seating in this yard for all the smokers to use. The noise has increased considerably. The occasionally have to call into the pub to ask them to turn their music down a little as it sometimes creaps up a bit too much! Of course it's to be expected that you will get noise from living near a pub, but after the smoking ban it goes on more outside all year rather than just in the summer. It's a real shame this is happening.
kebea41
08-03-08, 11:00 AM
Well i always knew this would happen with the smoking ban because they can no longer smoke inside a pub they gather outside and make hell ole,,,The government should have really made one room of a pub for smokers then this would not happen but hey blame the government and not the pubs they cannot help this they did not change the law with the smoking ban in fact a lot of pubs are going out of business because of this smoking ban and nearby neighbours complaining to officials of noise now outside pubs.
A smoker myself yes i have to say i will never agree to the smoking ban in pubs other areas yes i do but not pubs.
Freedom of choice now means nothing in this country anymore.
i agree with you Kebea41
I am a smoker too, and even if we sit in a pubs graden to smoke we are still getting people glaring at us, even one the lady partners where i work, and she really really hates smoking, she said it has gone too far, in a restaurant i can understand. You should see what the buildings in London are like outside, there are cigg butts every where, but of course they do/did not put up any ashtrays outside, so we have no choice, but now they are complaing that people are being "smoked out" when they enter a building, some people are never happy oh and of course all the "litter" outside the buildings.
kebea41
10-03-08, 07:54 AM
Hi Isis,
Thank you for your reply it is so good to hear some ones else's reply to the smoking ban.
Everybody knew this would happen what are smokers supposed to do they are made to feel alienated because they choose to do something others do not every smoker knows exactly what smoking does to you and it is there choice to carry on smoking.
The smoking ban has gone out of control there are so many pubs going out of business.
I do agree with the non smoking policy regarding restaurants and other places but the pub as always been a place to relax and enjoy a pint and a ciggies.
Landlords should have been able to choose whether they would like to have a smoking pub or non smoking pub but were not.
When i visit my family in my hometown cig butts are covering the pavements it is horrible to see
I do think the smoking ban has made matters worse because now everyone has to stand outside for a cig everyone passing is moaning about breathing it in ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Sorry but this smoking ban raises my temper to a tee:mad::mad::mad::mad:
Hi Kebea41
It makes us cross as well, both hubby and i smoke, i sometimes say to him that i feel like i should have a bell around my neck and ring it shouting unclean as i go along.
Have you found that people are tutting at you when you light up, we have this problem in London or they make noises at you, not at home just in London. One of the girles that i meet on the train she said that her fathers best friend owned a pub and as soon as it was announced that a smaking ban was coming in, he put his pub up for sale, he said that it would be fine for the big cities i.e. London, Birmingham etc but the smaller towns and villages, it would force them into closure.
Still now they have the smoking ban, i think they will now turn their attention to booze. Not happy unless moaning about something i think.
It's always interesting to read how upset smokers get about the smoking ban. Do they not understand that the foul stench of smoke is both a health hazzard to others as well as themselves? Bells round your neck? No need - the smell is enough of a warning to others that you are about.
As to allowing smoking back in pubs etc.: you must be joking! For the first time in years my family and I have been going out for the odd drink and having a meal in our local pubs and restaurants. It's great to taste the food and not someone's stale smoke. Most non smokers would (I suspect) ban smoking in the street, parks and indeed anywhere else that is a public space.
Polluting the atmosphere (that other innocent people have to breathe) is one of the most anti social acts on the planet. Anyone who thinks it is acceptable to force their stench on others must either be very dense or perhaps addled by too much nicotine! I even saw a woman puffing away whilst driving her car recently, with all the windows closed and two kids in the back - it really is unbelievable.
I bet if I sat in a pub with an air horn blasting away the smokers would all complain about the noise! So, smokers do not be outraged at the reaction you get when you pollute the atmosphere and spoil other people's enjoyment.
You do not have some sort of "licence to kill" - except yourself that is.
I was at a dinner many years ago and a famous sportsman was asked by someone on his table if they could smoke. Sorry, "No" came the polite reply. "Why not" the smoker asked? "Well said the sportsman, I enjoy a drink and the product of my drinking is that I have to pee a lot. If I have to breathe your smoke, can I p*ss on your head?" End of conversation.
So come on all you smokers, just accept that your days are numbered and that smoking is unhealthy to others (and yourself), unsocial, unwise and unacceptable in public. If you can't see why - you have my sympathy.:mad:
:welcome: pops to NFHiB
this thread is not about the dangers of smoking, its about how the smoking ban in pubs etc has increased noise levels for local residents.
if you would like to start a thread about smoking you can do this in the the health and well being folder in totally off topic talk section :)
Hi Pops
Just to say it was about the smoking ban, and just to let you know there are things out there they make my stomach churn e.g. the smell of pop corn, can't go the pics becuse of it, do i moan, no, the small of fry ups, yuck, do i moan no, and those things are very bad for you as well, this is supposed to be a free country and by the way i would never light up in a restaurant while people are eating i think it was the hight of bad manners, if i wanted a ciggy and people were eating i would go outside, ditto that for visiting people who don't smoke, i would always ask first if they said no, no offence taken and would again go outside. I never had a problem having a ciggy in the street until now, yeah i know it is bad for me, but so are car fumes, and the state of the planet, global warming, the stae of this country, murders nearly every week now etc etc. What about the people that take drugs, something that i have never done, nor would do, what about the people that drink themselves under the table, again something that i would not do, it looks so awful to see a women drunk and staggering along the street but nothing is ever said. As far as i am concerned the smoking ban is the thin end of the wedge, where will it stop, perhaps i should get a campagnie up to ban pop corn in cinemas, i am sure i am not the only one that can't stand the smell what do you think??? or how about banning lound "thumping" music in cars, of how about banning Children staying up late when we are on hols and spoiling our evening meal by screaming and running around the restaurent and behaving like wild animals, while hubby and i are trying to eat a meal, i'll tell you what, why don't we ban kids from pubs "full stop" that way we can all enjoy our meal in pece. Where does it end?
Noted and thank you.
I have to say however that some of the previous pro-smoking comments "hidden away" in the noisy pub threads deserved a response: hence my comments. Indeed, if you are going to apply a "start a new thread rule" to the topic of smoking them it should have been applied to very many pro-smoking contributors before me. Or was the previous subliminal pro smoking propaganda OK? I think not. One rule for everyone please!
And finally, as for someone's previous bleat that they feel like a social outcast when they smoke in public because people stare and whisper - of course they do. It stinks and gives you cancer! What do they expect? "Come on over and puff all over me - give me some passive smoke please!"
And to the previous contributor who waffled on about freedom of choice. Come on, get a life. You can't claim freedom of choice on a subject which endangers other people's health. It's like saying "If I point a gun at you, it's your choice whether you move out the way or not!" Choice my foot - or rather my lungs.
Anyway, the battle is won and I will not post further. The Government has it all in hand.
As for the people who live near pubs where external smoking is a problem, I have every sympathy. But I guess if you buy a house near a pub it's never going to be plain sailing is it?
And if you are smokers - you have my sympathy as well. Go buy some nicotine patches and see your social status soar.
That's all.
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To Isis: Smoking gives you and others around you cancer - pop-corn and fry-ups don't
Get a life!
Subject closed - I will neither read or respond to any more comments. Nicotine clearly addles your brains.
I don't need nicotine patches to see my social status soar, thank you oh and by the way i do have a life and a good one at that, thank you again.
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Subject closed - I will neither read or respond to any more comments. Nicotine clearly addles your brains.
Well thats a shame because you did make some valid points however resorting to being rude to people never wins an argument
This subject will always be a hot potato between smokers and non smokers and can be argued sensibly in the correct forum as requested with no objections from anyone :)