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Matthew
22-12-02, 01:39 AM
Hi all,

I've just finished changing the main website pages at the main Neighbours From Hell in Britain website (http://www.nfh.org.uk) to hopefully make it a little more accessible, etc.

The main change is the menu navigation bar that is now on the top of the page (gives us more room in the width of the pages) and there are some little features added on here and there.

There are 'sub-page' links on each section page, so the main menu top navigation bar is more simplified/easier to access I hope. Some visitors to the site before, were finding the left hand menu slightly confusing, etc.

Anyhow, what do you think? Need feedback please - don&#39;t forget the Polls here are anoynmous - besides, I wouldn&#39;t be offended at honest opinions anyway&#33; http://www.nfh.org.uk/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Thanks.
Tannasg
23-04-03, 05:42 AM
Sorry about the &#39;non&#39; opinion but to be honest, for me, it&#39;s content, not pretties for this sort of thing - the only thing that does count is accessibility - for the hard of sight and for those who find it difficult to use ordinary mice boards etc - but can&#39;t afford the obscene prices charged for &#39;speciality &#39;there&#39;s no call for it&#39; equipment.

Did you see that thing that was put out about the formal examination of sites for accessibility? Silly really - when so few disabled people can afford the damn computer in the first place - or rather, lacking know-how or manual dexterity they can&#39;t afford to be ripped off by cowboys for repair and maintenance. Something I used to do - and am still willing to do if anyone out there is in that position.

That side (accessibility) of it&#39;s fine - but to be honest, the looks of a board pass me by as I am too busy reading It&#39;s fine for navigation&#33; Alt text for images is important - that, I was told when doing the CI&#036; Dis forum, is one of the things that maes partially sighted people feel really left out - lack of alt text tags that is - but navigation is easy; adjusting size of fonts and stuff people set up prior to use anyway.

You said something about the old &#39;manual&#39; graphics being slow to download - never noticed it - or might that be cos I have 1mb cable? I never noticed any partial downloads or errors on page (that oh so irritating little IE icon&#33;) which does appear with an awful lot of sites - I did like the look of that, but obviously if it was giving grief . . . did you find out what the cause was?

ttfn

Tannasg
Matthew
23-04-03, 11:54 AM
Hi Tannasg http://www.nfh.org.uk/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Forgotten I&#39;d posted this&#33; http://www.nfh.org.uk/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Thanks for that - yes, I agree content is by far our most important agenda item for most, otherwise (*shudder*) I&#39;d cover the site in Flash&#33; http://www.nfh.org.uk/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Only kidding..........

I think you use Netscape you said once? Good thing about NS is it&#39;s ability to flip the font sizes up and down, if you try that on our site (deliberate) using IE versions, you can&#39;t do it as I&#39;ve set the font sizes using the CSS applied.

I have to admit, I&#39;m one of the worst for forgetting <alt> tags for images, also useful to remember to put in as the Search Engines pick their titles up.

The old NFH Manual script was being run underneath by a PHP Script that was buggy, so I got rid and made the new one up.

OOI: I heard some complaints about the Beeb&#39;s websites (absolutely huge) recently, apparentely they are one of the least-accessible set of sites around, considering they must employ a lot of designers with a lot of ££ it&#39;s v bad really.

http://www.nfh.org.uk/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/online2long.gif Now I&#39;m feeling geeky...........been trying to use this smilie for ages&#33;
Tannasg
23-04-03, 02:28 PM
>>Forgotten I&#39;d posted this&#33; http://www.nfh.org.uk/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Thanks for that - yes, I agree content is by far our most important agenda item for most, otherwise (*shudder*) I&#39;d cover the site in Flash&#33; http://www.nfh.org.uk/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Only kidding..........<<

Only kidding? No Flash clip art that floats right over the bit you&#39;re trying to read? No MS clip art? Owwww&#33;

I&#39;m SO disappointed in you&#33; All done in Windows colors . . . . esp. that gruesome pink . . .

Only kidding . . . .http://www.nfh.org.uk/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

>>I think you use Netscape you said once? Good thing about NS is it&#39;s ability to flip the font sizes up and down, if you try that on our site (deliberate) using IE versions, you can&#39;t do it as I&#39;ve set the font sizes using the CSS applied.<<

Bit ignorant about css and html 4 I&#39;m afraid . . . David is the expert there . . I let him do the difficult bits and i just do the text and links http://www.nfh.org.uk/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

I like to use Netscape - only troiuble is blueyonder doesnt&#39; support any ver later than 4.75 - that was written in another millenium man&#33; 6 and up were writtten to cope with Gates net takeover bid - they have a totally different engine - the browser works ok with blueyonder - but the mail doesn&#39;t - and I don&#39;t seem to be able to get the browser without the whole huge suite - and the constant probs with default mail when one answers a mailto link on a site. No, the mail prog won&#39;t work with the DNS on blueyonder - it&#39;s infuriating cos I hate IE and Outlook Soslow.

>>I have to admit, I&#39;m one of the worst for forgetting <alt> tags for images, also useful to remember to put in as the Search Engines pick their titles up.<<

they are handy but most of all for the partially sighted like I said. I know how it is to be excluded totally having no transport - must be the same being cut off without any (usable) sight.

>>The old NFH Manual script was being run underneath by a PHP Script that was buggy, so I got rid and made the new one up.<<

It works it works&#33;&#33;&#33;

>>OOI: I heard some complaints about the Beeb&#39;s websites (absolutely huge) recently, apparentely they are one of the least-accessible set of sites around, considering they must employ a lot of designers with a lot of ££ it&#39;s v bad really <<

Too right - but you know where the beeb&#39;s cash goes? on bidding for sport&#33; And for those of us who are not addicted to hours of sport mit gallons of lager . . . . a bit off really. they make hell of a hoo hah about one or two decent documentaries per year - and some drama - nowhere NEAR enough quality stuff - and the rest goes on ******* sport&#33; It isn&#39;t as if there weren&#39;t enough of it to be had on other channels&#33;

Seeing as there is more edu and useful stuff on the website than there is on the box - it really IS bad that it is so inaccessible for so many. Ditto subtitles - the amount of subtitled stuff in America is huge - here, there&#39;s hardly any. their pbs is so good too - and the site is excellent as well - http://www.pbs.org/
an amazing site - like the usgs, the Nat Geographic and on and on and on . . . Freedom of Information it&#39;s called - wonderful thing&#33;

What I DID forget to say last post - was thankyou&#33;

tannasg