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Matthew
10-06-06, 12:40 PM
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Ummmm..... :rolleyes: "Maybe I should have been backstabbing like everyone else"
- I'd hate to see what she's like when she's really trying! :lol:
Domestic Goddess
10-06-06, 12:43 PM
Wow! SHe is in complete denial isn't she?!!!
I'd hate to see what she's like when she's really trying[/b]
this made me laugh out loud!
It is really odd though, and true, that unless they are playing to the camera they genuinely seem to forget the nation can see them and their actions are replayable.
Imogen seems to forget that the people she says `f+++ em' about are those that could vote her off. She is becoming institutionalised if she is seeing her bubble house as a safe place to be.
Strange how they think they are in there to have fun. Some part of them must realise this is just a tacky human zoo :blink:
I am betting on Suzie never to lose sight on where and what, she could be a hard lady and very poliitical.
I do feel sorry for the housemates - no-one deserves to be hated or boo-ed like that, after all, the crowd don't really know them at all :(
Bonkers Mad!!!
10-06-06, 04:42 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mumski @ 10th June 2006 - 1:04 PM) 170797</div>
Only the new girl can vote this week so will Grace try to get pally with her so she isn't nominated? :blink:
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on BBBM some of the other ticket winners said they'd had a good chat with the new girl and she cant stand Grace :lol: i should think its highly likely that Grace will go next week.
I do feel sorry for the housemates - no-one deserves to be hated or boo-ed like that, after all, the crowd don't really know them at all [/b]
Unfortunately what people do know is their behaviour. The problem is that Grace has been seen behaving in a competitive way that included her politicking by saying nasty things about other housemates in order to gain support. She has not shown herself to be likeable through her behaviour. She is duplicitous.
Sometimes it is hard to separate people from that behaviour. It would be like saying the NFH could actually be a nice guy but he has blackguarded you all over the neighbourhood to whoever would listen in order to slander you? People would boo him, suspecting that anyone who did that sort of thing was not a nice person.
Those in the house who are not behaving in an unpleasant way are not booed. Like Petey, who is a darling, and Nikki who in spite of her shrieking is showing herself to be a totally honest person.
Having said that I doubt I would boo Grace, I simply would not wish to know her if she was untrustworthy as her behaviour seems to indicate. It is a shame because she has so much going for her and you wonder why she feels compelled to show her less attractive side. :unsure:
coppernob
10-06-06, 08:47 PM
I feel for poor Ash aswell! Grace has been really nasty about her behind her back even telling Glen men she knows would call Ash a dog. Grace dosn't seem to care how many people she hurts, now the boots on the other foot she crys!! Hope the new girl nominates her too! CN
I still don't think anyone should be boo-ed or heckled, it can end up worse as we've already seen, even last years winner, Anthony was attacked.
I also think we only see a lot of "behaviour" that's done for the cameras and I think Grace does what she does as she thinks it's the way to play the game of life ;)
Just my thoughts, it's great watching - plus I've yet to see a housemate not be booed, and I'd not boo anyone, not matter how mean they are, I'd cheer them, takes some guts to go on national TV and allow yourself to be observed 24/7 - I wouldn't B)
I am betting the new girl is going to make Grace look like a novice, and not in a good way. I feel for Suzie already though, Big Brother is selling her out from word one with the nomination twist. While I am sure she is tough enough to weather it I feel reserved.
Thing is that people who go into this house are either incredibly naive or incredibly tough. It is a very dangerous thing to do ... you are either under threat of becoming totally disillusioned, or of having your ambitions blasted. There is no in between, only the worst and best. What it is not is a game and I think it is Richard who keeps asserting that ... methinks the lady doth protest too much?
Matthew
10-06-06, 09:52 PM
I agree, people are human and on exit/entry they don't deserve to be booed, heckled or intimidated by a crowd (who are often quite fickle anyway!) based on preconceptions or perceptions of what they've 'seen'.
However though, BB contestants enter the house in the full knowledge (or at least they should do!) of the risks, pitfalls and possible gains/losses they could receive as a contestant. ;) So really in that sense, should we have any sympathy? No one is forcing them to go in after all. :)
Did anyone see the 'Curse of Big Brother' earlier this year? It described it well really. :D
As for Grace, she thinks she is acting more 'maturely' than she actually is (this really shows her younger age) and is sorely in error by her own behaviour. :bb:
I agree it takes courage to go into a situation like Big Brother but the payoff is becoming a celebrity - even if you do not win.
I used to organise and facilitate away weekends for growth groups. The dymanic is not so different from that of BB in that you are in a contained environment and engineering stressful interplay. In many cases it was ********tering for participants because, no matter how mature they felt themselves to be, in a setting designed for new experiences at the mercy of someone else's control, they often reacted in a way they never imagined they would and behaved `out of character'.
I think people go into the Big Brother House with preconceptions and a determination to behave in a certain way in order to `play the game'. However, in what could be seen as an non-facilitated gestalt group they cannot cope very well. The organisers have to keep shifting the goal posts, so that those incarcerated cannot predict and prepare for onslaughts. They need to be kept unbalanced.
For those who emerge and become celebraties it is merely a continuation of a heady event and in that dreamy state they do not have to deal with or confront the reality of their experiences. For those who sink into obscurity the courage is more needed after leaving the house than before entering.
But being a celebrity is so de rigeur now that people will risk their sanity for it, willingly. And they will subject themselves to humiliation and suffer extremely stressful conditions.
I watch with horrid fascination and wonder how far off we really are from The Running Man.
Matthew
12-06-06, 08:48 PM
Haven't watched last night's yet, so don't know who's up for nomination at the mo; but I bet I wouldn't get good odds at the bookies for who I think it is! :lol:
Matthew
12-06-06, 09:12 PM
LOL@mumski - will do! ;) :bb:
Okay, you made me look!
I will say nothing except I was surprised at one of them :bigeyes:
Ahh you have to feel sorry for her... but when she is out she'll make a lot of money from the press!
StoneHenge
13-06-06, 04:28 PM
I don't feel sorry for her Toots. She could have made the right impression from the start and she obviously thught being 'herself' (if she is) would get people on side. So bullying and bossing people about works in your book then Gracey!
She will make loads of money to start with, they always do. I just hope after that he sulky mug goes back into the shadows. Either that or she changes her way quick smart, but then wouldn't we miss all that tickle tackle going on?
Of course we would!
I always think the BB outside crowd act with pack mentality, a few start booing and then the rest join in, Leah got booed on the way in!!! and that was I think just coz the size of her chest....now the same people who booed quite like her (possibly :lol: )
Grace hasnt done herself any favors.....she must have forgotton that the cameras and the mics pick up ALL conversations! :D
Hulablush
14-06-06, 12:00 AM
Oh yes, Grace HAS to go......
I found tonight's BB quite draining to watch as Grace & Nikki were so childish and being so angry like that must wear you out. They've let themselves down tremendously and Grace just must be deluded if she has no idea why she was picked.
I can't wait for Aisleyne to argue with Grace..... I'd be behind Ais all the way!!!
I honestly think that Grace lost it after hearing the crowd. Thing is that the control and power she had was fragile but she is or was a strong girl with a world view that was significantly challenged in a greater arena. It would not be something she had faced and she was traumatised. Her crying jags, loss of self control, desperate attempts to influence others ... they are all anxiety responses.
Suzie did not stand a chance - she was never going to be likeable in Grace's eyes because she is associated with a booing crowd - by proximity.
Grace's behaviour prior to the booing thing was not very pretty and it became downright ugly afterwards. It is really unfortunate that the girl lost her emotional balance because what was simply a young woman taking control became a young woman losing control.
Mikey gets no prizes for his failure to support. He much as said get over it and get back to being yourself ... babe, because the public won't like you if you cry so much.
Nikki is not looking too good. I was surprised to see her nominated but I had some catching up to do and watching her behaviour with the waiting game she is so not a player. She jeopardises the group well-being ie the upcoming grocery allowances because she sang during the Suzie reign. I like her, I think she is a character, but I can see how the `house' could be badly affected.
I had not realised that Suzie's hubby paid 4,000 for her golden ticket!
I am finding Lea real creepy. Hope she goes soon!
StoneHenge
14-06-06, 09:40 AM
I can only say tiomet, that you should be on the show analysing the chracters in there because you got Grace spot on there.
There was no real reason to attack Suzze the way she did, but you made a good point saying she has associated her with the booing, plus knowing that Suzze nominated because they all knew in advance she would be the only one only fuels the fire.
I find Grace very immature, but then how mature were all we at 20? Actually, I was very mature (brought up that way), but I had my moments and as much as Graces brings the great arguments to the house, it could end up with just a lot of fighting and no fun, and to be honest, we like a bit of everything. Plus now we have some very strong female characters all of whom are either already attached to someone outside, or getting frustrated by the lack of male talent inside (as Mikey is well and truly spoken for).
My concluding line:
GET GRACE OUT!!!!!! :nfh1:
Oh, and did you see the papers? Apparently, Suzze knew she was going in two weeks ago, and it was a fix. My step son said the night before Suzze went in that they said it was going to be a middle aged woman with a boob job. Ummmm! What do we think about that then?
Is Lea trying to breastfeed the younger ones ???[/b]
This caused me to laugh out loud! Yay for you :notworthy: And I suspect she is mothering some but I would guess her motives for her attention to Pete are more complicated. She is not so much mothering as smothering him and it is creepy. I genuinely have no sides about Spring-Autumn relationships but they are not ad idem, these two. Pete is being very mature about it, he understands full well what is going on and he is dealing with it honestly and fairly.
I do adore Glyn for telling the girls they were being spiteful. Those three lasses, Grace, Lisa and Nikki could be my 10 year old nuisance neighbours, loud, spiteful and self-obsessed. Except that they are twice that age.
There is a weird thing going on with young people now ... at 10-12 they consider themsleves sophistacted with rights and demand to be allowed to act like adults, and then they regress to 20 - when they demand to be seen as young and therefore not responsible for their actions. Kids are permitted a double standard. Being 20 is not being a child - it is young but not irresponsible. These young woman vote ... that is scary.
I suspected that Suzie was a fix but still had doubts. I like the idea she is there to manipulate the events rather than being an innocent incomer, because it makes it less painful if she is engineering responses ... if that makes sense. Still, the overt nastiness that Grace, Nikki and Lisa have displayed - whether Suzie is a plant or not - reflects on them. Calling her an `old hag' was appalling. Imagine how Grace would feel if someone called her mother that? When the lass goes out and views what Suzie actually said about her .. and all of them, she will have another life lesson hopefully, and emerge better for it.
I am guessing that Mikeydoes not feel himself spoken for and that if Grace goes out he will turn his attentions to someone else, probably Imogen. These are young footloose and fancy free hormonal young people and Sezer, who we would have thought was connected with Imogen much as said he would not remain true. Mikey has not the moral courage to remain true ... in fact he is rather wet.
I am totally hooked on Big Brother! Arrgghh. I used to watch Blind Date too and my friends would come into my study and despair! Thus far I have totally stayed off the soaps... I am never ever going there!
I acutally thought that next year, because we will be living in Germany, I would not be able to watch Big Brother and would therefore be saved but my partner told me we would have Sky channels there too. I am doomed. :bigeyes:
Surely if this is the case then Kit Kat and BB are possibly in line for a criminal charge against them?[/b]
True, never thought of that. One other chap paid 500quid for a golden ticket on ebay, and supposing the fix was true he would feel really aggrieved. Mind you it is sort of sad to pay that out on what he could have assumed was a pure gamble.
Call me old fashioned but I would have thought Children in Need could have done with that cash. (yes I know, tis his cash to waste :) )
StoneHenge
14-06-06, 11:58 AM
I agree Banana. I suspect there are going to be a lot of Golden ticket winners who are really mashed up now. Unless of course, they were all a fix?
I doubt it, but it's strange that people talked about a women with a boob job before she even went in, and how on earth would they know that? My ten yr old step son really know shis stuff apparently!
It's a dark and twisted world in that there BB house, and I'm sorry to be hooked on it, but can't help it!
Domestic Goddess
14-06-06, 05:41 PM
Ataacking Suzie as she has, Grace has really sunk to a new low. I hope that she goes on Friday and Davina points out exactly why!
Hulablush
14-06-06, 05:53 PM
This is Grace:
"Oh, I don't know why Susie nominated me.... "
"She doesn't even know me..... I haven't done anything"
"She's mutton dressed as lamb"
"I hate Susie F****** sunshine"
"I'm a nice person"
"Susie is a f****** b*tch"
"I wouldn't have minded if it has been a normal nomination and then I was picked"
"There are only going to be freaks left in the last week"
"What have I done to deserve all those boos"
...and so it goes on.
EARTH CALLING GRACE..........WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! :banghead:
Also Grace has this obsession with looking "natural" hence sl*gging off anyone with fake boobs although she seems to forget Nikki has them as well. Grace was clearly dumped by a man who went off with someone who's had some work done otherwise she wouldn't be so obsessed.
She doesn't seem to be as pally as Imogen at the mo.... hopefully Imogen is waking up to the fact that she should keep away.
Oh yes, I reckon George left cos he knew he was going to be associated with Grace and he could see the sort of person she was and didn't want any of that (nevermind he didn't want the fame rubbish) to rub off on him.
She is ;)
No that is naughty of me!
I had to laugh listening to that leading conversation that the girls were having with Leah and Suzie - asking them if they have ever thought of having toy boys. Suzie responded appropriately but Leah stayed silent.
I think Leah is developing genuine feelings for Pete, serious feelings and I honestly think it is going to end in tears. Pet hugs her but he really gets a good grip and stroke on young Nikki when she comes in for a hug. He bonds with Leah but while he feels close I do not think he feels nearly as intimate as she does.
Interesting to see how that develops and I reckon you are right Hulablush regarding George leaving. His protest on the famous thing was very very thin.
Poor Grace, when she comes out and does that evicted houseperson interview on telly, they are going to put up all the extracts of all those things you listed, plus the stealing of the champers and the gold clad mean dancing. She has to own her culpability but it is a shame in front of millions of viewers. I think it was young Glyn who asked them today if they ever thought about how they would be viewed back home when this was all over and it gave them pause. Plus he reminded them that one of them would be remaining. Wise young man.
StoneHenge
15-06-06, 04:44 PM
I loved Grace's comments when she said 'Look at that picture, do you see all the wrinkles?'.
Actually I think Suzze has good skin, and Gracey Wacey tends to forget that she will not be 20 forever and actually, that's what happens as we get older.
Trouble is, I think she will do well out of it. She will get booed when she comes out, then cheered when she has her interview because they always do, then they will think lucky you for nabbing Mikey (who was compared to Vernon Kay last night!), and then she will make a shed load of money from interviews and probably end up working for some top class london dance studio.
Makes you sick... 8-X :sicky:
Peaceseeker
17-06-06, 10:35 AM
she threw water over susie, vendictive cow! glad she's gone couldn't stand to look at her dimpled face any longer!
I agree, usually these people redeem themselves a bit after they are evicted (eg Sezer) and do come across quite well at the Davina Interview...however, Grace certainly didn't.
She needs to seriously take a look at what sort of a person she has become. She has the security of pots of money, but that can't make her a humble or nice person.
Not a nice character....terrible immaturity...Good riddance.
That was interesting!
Aye she threw water over Suzie and called Ash a moose :blink:
Grace had boasted yesterday that if she was evicted she would give both Suzie and Ash, and Richard, a piece of her mind before she left. Well, she did not carry that off at all well and poor Ash was the only one irate. Suzie carried it all off with her usual class.
I found that incident with Nikki and Mikey and the pillow beer far more annoying. Mikey is such an a** and I genuinely do not see how people find him attractive. He is always slugging about with no energy with his mouth hanging open and he is plain creepy. Plus he has the character of a stone-dwelling toad, somewhat dark and slimey. Anyway, Nikki is a little Tasmanian devil and irrepressable and I could have smacked her senseless for apologising to the clumsy galoot and telling him he was right when he was just being a total jerk. And his rejecting her and telling her he was speaking to other people and to go away and he would come when he was ready? Grrr if he was a son of mine he would be soooo very sorry if he tried to control a girl that way. :angry:
Grace actually did great! She was a little brittle but she came out and played to the camera so well and acted the little bright-eyed celebrity without apology. She was articulate and funny. Still think she has nasty tendencies but there ends the chapter of Grace and all she will become is a sort of blonde dancing sloan really, probably snapped by independent photographers showing off at Stringfellows and tripping out of taxis with pop groupies whose only claim to fame is being groped by members of some obscure boy band.
Poor Leah, the woman has dreadful self-image and her whole maternal motivation falls into disrepute after she had been cast off by the extremely irate Nikki. The girl was too much in a heel kicking rage to want to be restrained against big bosoms but Leah simply took is as rejection and fell apart. Who is the mummy now?! Let's face it, a genuine mummy would know when to let a good old fashioned kiddy strop to quieten before doing a grab and hug strategy ... plus not feel rejected! And of course Petey did not hesitate to rush in and throw his manly compassion over Nikki -- double whammy for Leah!
And poor wee Imogen, she is cast adrift and unless she actually takes up with Mikey she will vanish into the wallpaper and when they close the house down for the season they will s********e her off and wonder who the heck she is. She emerged long enough to prove that beauty truly is skin deep! She and Sezer deserve each other!
I am interested to see if BB give Lisa cigarettes. The stress of the house coupled with her temper, and added to nicotine deprivation will likely see her charged with GBH this coming week. I wonder if she will convince Ash to share her stash of ciggies.
Glynn is such an ordinary boy, smart but ordinary.
Pete, well, I still think he will win. I loved that he reassured Nikki by telling her that he understood her strops were like his tics, the people could say `Pete, stop those tics' and he could not no more than Nikki could stop her explosions. Sweet - wrong, but still sweet.
The aftermath of Grace's leaving, within the house, could have been more interesting. I cannot believe how people just subsided when stone-toad said to change the subject. Mikey really does not deserve that respect.
Matthew
17-06-06, 01:34 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tiomet @ 17th June 2006 - 10:45 AM) 172431</div>I found that incident with Nikki and Mikey and the pillow beer far more annoying. Mikey is such an a** and I genuinely do not see how people find him attractive. He is always slugging about with no energy with his mouth hanging open and he is plain creepy. Plus he has the character of a stone-dwelling toad, somewhat dark and slimey. Anyway, Nikki is a little Tasmanian devil and irrepressable...[/b]
LOL@your Mikey description, I agree! :hihi:
Nikki is far more interesting and entertaining (although I don't think I'd want to live with her admittedly!) - she is fascinating with all that dramatic, over the top gesturing and vocalisation! :D
Oh I dont mind that he thinks about his appearance, or his vanity. I just do not think he is handsome because he does not think enough about it i.e. he wanders about with his mouth hanging open.
And his attitude is ugly because it was not about Nikki, it was about control - he treated the girl in an inappropriate way in that he treated her with disdain when he waved her off as he did. It does not matter how she behaved, his control was ugly and I am so angry with her for allowing him to do it. It is not vanity when boys do that, it is arrogance and rudeness. The fact is that he was diminishing her as a control measure in order to show everyone that via him Grace had the power. It was not about the beer at all, he was looking for something to hang Nikki with because he knew Grace would go and he wanted to ensure Nikki was not a winner. But really he was telling everyone that people's success was dependent on his permissions. Grace so hopped on his bandwagon by nurturing Nikki. Between them they totally snowed her and the silly lass fell for it.
The sneak was Mikey, I think a thief is far more sneaky than a hoarder and to justify his actions he has twisted the perspective, just like our NFH do. Clever Mikey, he managed to blackguard Nikki and have two beers, and get away with not only being a thief but getting lauded for it by the victim. That makes me so cross :badmood:
Did you see how he stood in the centre of the seated circle of housemates and pontificated? He was acting out the alpha male in a pride. And, having subjugated the tribe, he then assumed the mantle of their opinion, telling them that they all agreed on what he said. They were all intimidated to the point that no one piped up - Suzie looked really uncomfortable but she would not say anything, as did Ash, and Leah was already decimated to the point of not being able to rally. The boys were simply confused as is the way with boys facing embarrassing situations.
See Mikey is a bully and this is an ugly thing. His tactics, their subjugation, this is what we deal with every day with NFH. Whenever you watch your specific male or female alpha NFH with a group watch the tactics, you will see how they will command the stage, usually encircled, usually striking powerful message stances ... just like Mikey did. And the way he dismissed Nikki, who was the only one standing up to him is exactly how your NFH dismisses you.
I bet your son does not do that!
Tabloid rubbish
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/tm...-name_page.html (http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/tm_objectid=17249166%26method=full%26siteid=62484-name_page.html)
Annabel
18-06-06, 01:02 PM
well, i think Nikki needs to be told in no uncertain terms to pack all that attention seeking tantrum behaviour in...she is utterly ridiculous....I actually started getting a headache watching her throw a strop over that beer, and when she chucked herself on the bed and bawled her head off I really really felt like just slapping her silly! she needs a massive, and i mean MASSIVE, reality check. What on earth are her parents like, that they have brought up such a deluded spoilt brat with no abilities whatsoever, yet she thinks so highly of herself?
I think Mikey was right to say to her 'hang on a minute' Im talking' - what gives her the right to just barge in and expect everyone else to drop their conversations to listen to her ranting? :badmood:
and whats more, its obvious she know she shouldnt be doing it AND it is very very wrong of Pete to explain her actions away as if she has some kind of disability like he has.
she has just been allowed to get away with it for far too long, thats all and its now a very nasty irritating bad habit.
i would be ashamed if she was my daughter :angry:
Thing is Mikey was not simply telling her to wait until he had finished talking. He was posturing and playing the alpha, that was the bad thing. It was not a conversation as much as he was holding the stage to a captive and uncomfortable audience. Or maybe if you are a parent you would find this a good thing in that your son is developing control skills which may lead to success in business and the huge competitive dog-eat-dog world he is emerging into.
I think it is not that I support Nikki, she does have behaviour issues and they can be upsetting. She is harmless and reactive though and I think though out of control she is not a bully. I suspect I would find her incredibly hard work were I in the same house but as I am distant I can find her endearing at times and entertaining at others. The beer thing was incredibly over the top ... not only on her part. Put it down to the stress of the previous couple of days. I think Nikki is a sweet child-woman with difficult behaviour issues and the only way to deal with her is as an adult or you simply act as parent to her child. She does respond to the correct responses, just has a lot of complicated buttons that are easy to push.
Mikey's behaviour was bullying. He bullied his audience, he bullied Nikki and that to me is as wrong as my neighbour's bullying me. I found that difficult to approve no matter how awkward Nikki's tantrum.
I still think it is sweet of Pete to try to empathise as he did. I did say it was not the same but I think it was sweet of him converting her behaviour into terms with which he could identify and console her on that basis.
The great thing is this is the whole reason we become absorbed in this programme, we have different views and what appeals or disgusts one viewer will solicit a different response in another.
Annabel
18-06-06, 03:23 PM
the thing that surprised me most about Mikey was that he actually strung a few sentences together! alpha male? dont make me laugh...i know a few alpha males who would eat him for breakfast and still have an empty belly! :rolleyes:
he is just as bad as nikki in his own way, as are they all (look at the way Lea carried on that night for goodness sake :blink: )...otherwise BB wouldnt be the freak show it is!
True, but he was running on I-am-about-to-lose-Grace adrenalin.
Leah is interesting. The day after the beer thing, during which she felt rejected, she behaved differently and instead of being maternal in the morning she became very childlike, even dressing differently ie left her hair down in the garden when she usually ties it up top, and she deliberately sat in the middle of the young ones. Think she carries a lot of history with her and her upset was simply triggered by being pushed away. She is getting softer while Suzie is getting harder. Good watching.
I thought what it would take to go into the house. For young people it makes all sorts of sense but for people say over 35 (give or take a couple) it makes less sense. I think they must not think it through, it is an incredibly stressful thing to do and they have no notion or they would not do it!
Richard never loses sight of the public I think but even he is cracking.
Annabel
18-06-06, 06:49 PM
Lea definitely has some serious issues, she needs help...anyone who wants to mutliate their body the way she has must do!
i quite like richard he says sensible things but having said that i see he is very manipulative.
i think its good to have a mix of ages in the house, why should it just be young people who are totally up their own backsides all the time? last year it was great with derek, he cut through a lot of the cr*p!
where are all the endearing characters though? in past BBs we have had brian, craig, jade, jon tickel euegene...this years lot are pretty thin on character...and please dont say Nikki is endearing she just isnt! :rolleyes:
I do think Nikki is endearing.
I was not objecting to differing ages in the house, that was not what I said.
This is the first year of watching Big Brother. I think I was drawn in accidently when I flicked through the channels and it landed on the introduction of the people joining the household. Had that not happened I suspect I would never have watched and I realised that once I was introduced to the players I was lost. Next year you can be sure I will avoid the introduction and then I shall be safe!
Annabel
18-06-06, 07:42 PM
i said that i wouldnt be watching this years BB either! but i have got sucked in as well!
ey, I know you said its more awkward for older people who go on BB and i think that is correct, its seems kinda weird because they have the benefit of experience and can look at the antics of the younger ones and think 'been there, done that', so how to they distinguish themselves and manage to win over the public?
They seem to start being paternal and maternal which seems just so wrong. Leah, Suzie and Richard are interesting fully formed adults in their own right but they are not displaying that - or at least not that we are seeing. There is so much we do not see I guess.
I do not think I could do it, but then I am 54 and I suspect that would be too way out of the ballpark to even be considered. If Suzie has had her life like Grace suggested, I suspect she would be in the diary room asking BB for a shovel for my grave! What I do know is that I would go stone mental being locked up 24/7 with a bunch of tempestuous youngsters.
I do play World of Warcraft and Everquest because I am into gaming and never grew out of Dungeons and Dragons, and most of my fellow gamers are young - even attended meets with them and had a great time without age being an issue.
But that is shared experience stuff and we can swap stories about a common interest. I cannot think what I would have in common with them without that except that I was once that age ... and then it was different, I mean I was a hippie and you had to be there to know it was not just putting flowers in your hair but a revolution.
What does Suzie have to share with Nikki, apart from makeup secrets? Or Leah with Glynn. apart from both liking big breasts? There has to be a `them and us` unless there is some common ground and even both-all being on Big Brother does not cover that because half of it they are not even allowed to discuss.
I go on, I know, but I genuinely find it interesting and compelling watching.
:notworthy: tiomet, you are so observant and put things so well, I have been watching BB with a different view now - esp Mikey the toad -stone- lounger!! :lol:
I think it is really compelling this year and I really do like it that there is a broader age range. I think that this year is the first year that I can recall there being more than 2 people over the age of 28, and look how things are panning out!
About time the producers woke up and realised that the world of entertainment does not revolve around 21 year olds and younger ;) .
StoneHenge
19-06-06, 09:16 AM
LOL! You lot make me laugh. I loved your descriptions Tiomet of Mikey. I just don't see the attraction, and I couldn't bare having an argument with someone who argues in monotone. How annoying! What does it take to get the man excited. I can see why he makes a good model. The pouty sulky look, but then you hear him speak and well, let's just say I like a man with a touch more intellect than that!
I knew Grace would go. The throwing water thing was a touch risky, and I did feel sorry for Suzy, but she took it well and people will see that. Calling Ashlyene a moose was a bit off. I mean Grace honey, one day you will be older and get wrinkles and get grey hair, and your 20's goes by a lot faster than you think!
Sad really!
Glad she's gone. Won't miss her at all. Hope she now gets a few interviews, a bit of money and crawls back under the rock they dug her out from.
I agree with whoever said Lea needs help. Last night trying to get Pete to admit her fancies Nikki when he said he doesn't. He's very clever. He knows getting attached to someone will seriously rock his chances of winning, so good for him for making it clear. A very green eyed monster there me thinks!
I am sooooooo addicted!
I may be a bit out of it here, but does anyone else remember Lea on Trisha's programme? She was on with her boyfriend and wanting more surgery as she thought she looked great and could do whatever she wanted with her own body. Her boyfriend really, really didn't want her to waste any more money on surgery as he thought she was fab just as she was.
Was I in a parallel universe with that one? I am SURE it was her.
Bit cruel today the way they started off the nominations. However, Lea is pushing it a bit by leaving the room. Presumably if she is a systematic rule breaker they can, in fact, t*ss her out of the house. That would not be so bad, means a new person comes in again :) What she did to Pete in pressuring him regarding Nikki was dead clever. By doing that she forced him to effectively not pursue Nikki, with whom he seemed to be having a jolly good time. Mean Lea.
I am not sure about the Trisha programme though it is something I recall her doing quite a while ago. At least I recall her having a guest with lots of enhancements but it was an American woman. But as this is such a popular topic for talk show hosts I bet it comes up over and over. I am more surprised at the number of woman in the house with breast jobs.
I think BB has finally shown the housemates that they are thoroughly fed up with them breaking the rule regarding do not speak about nominations. By making Lea and Lisa do that in the open showed the house that they can actually think up more evil penalties for rule breaking.
I think this is the strike out for Nikki and I suspect she cannot take the nomination pressure anymore ... just because she is genuinely unhappy now and her whole posture is slumped. I wondered last night when she was in a hissy fit over the temperature if that was the last straw.
Nominations are going on at the moment. Thought we saw them in the diary room before? This time they are not showing it, phooey.
My connection is dodgy today, apparently it is too much line noise and this means I drop lots so stopping here while ahead and will come back later to catch up on all your views!
Annabel
19-06-06, 04:19 PM
Ooooh tiomet, your observation re Lea is so spot on, I noticed that as well, she is one manipulative old hagbag! I am going to say something a bit rude here, but I think she is after Pete because she accidentally saw he was blessed in the trouser department...and bearing in mind her past as a porn star, well....I cant help wondering if she is lusting after him big time.
anyway, i think nikki is safe for another week if she comes up against Lisa - who I think will get nominated considering who is left to vote - Richard, Suzie Pete and Mikey...
Mumski! You notice Ashliene's bottom yet you do not notice the menage a trois with Pete, Nikki and Lea! You are so not coming to the next strip in live chat!
Well <best gossip voice on>....
You know that Lea was big friends with peter, right? It got to the point where she was becoming a little more handy and attentive, if you know what I mean! *nudge, nudge, wink,wink* Serious now :
One evening she actually admitted it to Ashleine and he walked out of the bathroom, having obviously heard, and protested without prompting `I heard nothing, really!'
She was getting close emotionally and Pete had already noticed, this was obvious because he started resisting. There was one night he was tired and headed for bed and she followed to tuck him in as usual, with her fluttering hands and little kisses and he turned away and when she murmured to go to sleep, he retorted `I am trying!' I noticed this because I was watching this develop.
The day after started paying more attention to Nikki. He always gave her little hugs and that sort of thing but he was fortunate because she was nominated for eviction and really upset and so he had every excuse to really hug her and comfort her and after that they were looking quite promising.
Nikki responded also. On two occasions that we saw when Pete was upset, Nikki came across him and Lea who was comforting him. Nikki waded in both times and took over the comforting. She is very natural with it, wham in there with arms and squeaks of sympathy and his arms just head right around her and off Lea. Lea tried to make Nikki go, told her to go get tissues for the crying Pete, told her things were okay and to go it was okay ... but Nikki stayed and it was Lea who left.
And so it went for a couple of days. Pete and Nikki seemed very touchy feely and laughy together, and he was a really there for her when things got rough with Mikey and whenever she had a strop really.
And then Lea got hold of Pete in the garden and started asking him about how he fancied Nikki, and scoffing when he said he did not like her `that way'. Lea pressed it in a sort of I know you better than you think sort of way, and then she said go for it, in that way that a woman says that in order to say exactly the opposite ... a sort of deflatory way. Blokes are simply no match for that, they don't have the right gene, so he of course deflated as she intended and his attentions to Nikki are still comforting but that joie de vivre of the young cuddlesomeness is gone.
she accidentally saw he was blessed in the trouser department...and bearing in mind her past as a porn star, well....I cant help wondering if she is lusting after him big time.[/b]
Grin - Annabel - I am betting it is because she is a porn star she knows darn well that size does not matter.
Seriously though, I think the feelings that were developing were more loving and tender rather than lusting.
I have to say that if I were not gay the sort of man I would fall for would be Pete (and if I were 30 years younger). He is a wise young man, with principles, and is good looking and funny. I am not surprised Lea fell for him. Let's face it - in her trade how many gentle souls would she encounter?
I expect she is hurting quite a lot and half the things she does, like the pressure Pete with Nikki thing, are not calculated at all but the natural response of a woman who feels rejected. Very human.
gosh, its better that emmerdale! :lol:
when Pete was defending Nikki, he wasnt comparing her tantrums to his touretts, but her need to hoard items in her bedroom, such as the beer it could be classed as a bit OCD ish. As its one small thing she can try to be in control of in the BB house.
I have tried to think of who else too and my money was on Lisa or Imogen. I must admit that I have no idea though. It would almost be a pity for Lisa to go though, especially if Nikki does .. it would seem very bland without those two.
Ooer, by the way, I did not notice the extras ... though I did see Ash struggling to tug down her skirt, which was an exercise in futility anyway considering there was not sufficient to cover her to start with :blink:
Annabel
21-06-06, 12:17 PM
sometimes i think i dont mind aisleyne, she seems quite sane and sensible, but she must have some kind of butt fetish as she will keep on flapping it out at any opportunity...I mean seriously its enough to make you hurl! why does she keep on doing that? :blink:
I think Lisa will go. I would have preferred Mikey because I really think he is annoying but I changed my mind because of the Imogen angle :devil:
I do not want Grace hurt no matter how bad she has been, is being, in the public eye. Though, would she see any `infidelity' on his part as humiliating? I suspect not because she is skilled enough to convert it into disgrace on his part and stalwart on her's. I am just evil enough to want it to backfire on Imogen though and I think she is playing a really dangerous corner there. If Lisa does go, Imogen knows she is left without her most supportive housemate and she already knows Mikey is unreliable, he is just too self-centered to be a real ally. I bet she shifts her allegiances to Ash and Lea. Lea is just daft enough to accept it and Ash will play it like a cat with a ball of wool.
I was wondering about the bottom showing too, it is blatantly sexual rather than mooning. I thought about the baboons who have the blue bottoms which act as a lure for sexual partners and while they are the males in the pack, Ash is a little bit of a laddette really, and role differences are less defined now between gals and lads - who are both aggressively sexual. So I guess she is being sexually aggressive and inviting when she thrusts her bottom out at the world so much?
Considering she has a penchant for thongs and as Mumski has witnessed ... rather more than her botty ends up on camera :rolleyes:
Glynn is becoming quite a little blokey isn't he! He is so into Lea at the moment, saying it and doing it. I think he is inexperienced sexually and I guess being introduced into it by an experienced woman is not so bad ... it may make his future partner very happy with his skill. Still, I bet his mum is shouting choice stuff at the telly! He has a lesson to learn with this latest batch of nominees... all his pals. I wonder if he will correlate that with public opinion and start to spread himself more and form allies with the `other' side?
I missed the fashion show and party! And I missed Lisa's barbecue the other day. I caught the clip of the show on the official site but I guess these things all take place in the evening when my partner forbids me to leave Big Brother running. I comply because she seldom puts her foot down and is wonderful!
Loved Mikey in the yellow jumpsuit and white heels - evil Big Brother :D
Thought ash looked cute in her Mary Quant style 60s dress .. I had one of those! Just as short too! And she did not let us down ... up went the skirt and out went the bottom! Notice that Pete did a moon, too, interesting... is Ash's lure being reciprocated? I will show you mine if you show me yours?
Time for a new housemate to be introduced I think. And I think it should be the sort of man Ash lusts after, but gay. So what you have coming in is a black gay man. (I am not being policitcally incorrect, promise, Ash said she always and only went out with black men). This way both Richard and Ash are placed in difficulty ... at least at first sight :)
Oh hmm bout the baboons, I think it may be females with the blue bottoms, males have the blue noses ... going to research that on the web!
Annabel
21-06-06, 01:39 PM
tiomet, I bow to your fantastic insights :notworthy: :notworthy:
I think it would be fantastic if a lush gay black man came in the house -he mustnt be camp a la derek last year, we have had all that!
StoneHenge
21-06-06, 01:40 PM
Oh Tiomet, you are just so good at this! You should call channel four right now and tell them you will be on the show to give your analysis. It's so spot on!
I also agree that Imogen is playing with fire and will just look stupid. What we need is new blood, and a fairly in between bloke, that is a bit older than the girls (not Lea), but young enough for them to lust after, but not too old either, just with slightly more maturity as Glynn is not really old enough as Lea did point out.
I think Glynn was talking about his first time and reckons he's been with four girls. How true that is is hard to tell, but I suspect he may have been with someone, just not very experienced at it like you said. Mikey is a wet lettuce, but if a new house mate were to go in and he was some gorgeous bloke to divert all the ladies attention, it would give Mikey some serious comeptition as Pete is just lovely, but he's not interested in anything but friendship, and he didn't like Grace, and has gone off lisa and Nikki may well be a huggy person with him, but I feel that it more him being nice than liking her in that way.
There doesn't seem to be an alpha male in the group and we need one, Lea said she needs a man to lust after and all the girls do or they will end up seriously deprived, will give up wearing make up and start all looking terrible and put off viewers!
I think they need a man, so please BB send one in, and then you can invite Tiomet on to give her view on them all as I find her views so facsinating and so spot on!
Sorry Lis babe, you just have to go go!
be camp a la derek last year, we have had all that[/b]
Ooo I did not know there was a gay black man last year. Phooeey it would be passe now :unsure: but
a new house mate were to go in and he was some gorgeous bloke to divert all the ladies attention, it would give Mikey some serious comeptition [/b]
It would be rather fun if that lasses were all after the same guy. Hmm okay someone like David Genola (spelled right?) gorgeous and a little older. The young lasses would go for him and the older lasses would fight em for it. Though, my guess is Suzie would not even bend she is there to play the lady and that is that though she should introduce a new dimension to her game or she will pull an Imogen and disappear into the wallpaper.
:lol: the idea of being on channel 4 sent me scurrying to the tonic! Years ago I was interviewed on telly when my first book was published ... I really let myself down as I had bolstered myself with dutch courage in the form of four large brandies with my lunch! (that was back when I still imbibed!). So I was sort of leery and smudging my words. They compounded the whole thing by using those weird camera angles on close ups that make you look drunk anyway... so you can guess the outcome! It also did not help that a mad friend was sitting nearby intent of distracting me. So what should have been a good interview to boost the sale of my book became a fiasco with me snorting with laughter at inappropriate moments.
Mind you I suspect that all would be welcome on Channel 4 B)
Annabel
21-06-06, 03:53 PM
ooh, you have let the cat out of the bag there now! what was your book about?
In case I can be identified I cannot really tell. This is in case people are reading who I would prefer did not know who I am, not because I am secretive, if that makes sense :) It was a novel though, lightweight and I guess a holiday read, the sort you find in airport bookshops.
Annabel
21-06-06, 04:16 PM
:D did you make your fortune? have you written any more since? i am so nosey! :blush:
heh I was enjoying moderate royalties is all and I had two more published, plus extracts. I was preparing a representation synopsis for my publishers when I moved into this house, in preparation for another two book deal with advance royalties. The deadline had been extended because of the extraordinary circumstances of my move ... something they would not have done for someone not in the stable. Because I was already published by them I was in a position that any author would give their eye teeth for, the proposal of starting a series of books, bigger advances, an editor you know and love.
But it all went skew-wise, the harassment started and nuisance and stone throwing ... and any creativity I had flew out the window in the face of day after day hassle. I lost my publisher and I have never written a word since. Their was a reprint on two of my novels which extended the royalties a couple of years but there has been no income for the last four years from it.
I am hoping that when we leave I will start writing again. I have lots of roughs of ideas, characters, plots, and I still research ideas and keep information ... so fingers crossed that we end up in Heidelberg!
I have a rough on a character which I lifted trait for trait from our main young tormentor here. Imagine a truly Machiavellan Dennis the Menace. I do not have a setting for him but he makes an interesting child character for a sinister stage. Some would name him Damien I guess but with round blue eyes and a sweet smile.
Or could we call him Glynn? See how that happened? :lol:
A rose by any other name!
Glynn is very sweet in this way... he is determinedly open about his fancy for Lea. That is pure innocence and it is drawing Lea in. So what we have is the innocent young man seducing the porn star, what a wonderful twist. Or is it? Is this calculation on the part of a manipulative young man closing in on the vulnerability of needy Lea in order to introduce a new dynamic into the BB game?
I suspect the mother in her will rein it in shortly but for the moment her fluttering hands and little kisses are Glyn's where they used to be Pete's.
Haha, I missed the eclipse! :lol: I marvel you see these things! Was Lea in the line of fire, did she see it ... was it a male display of invitation like a blue nosed baboon mating dance? The public needs to know!
I think the one truly gobsmacked about being nominated is Mikey. He has a Sezer complex and I think he just overrated his popularity. The media is putting it down to Grace's behaviour and his collusion but that is a cop out, Mikey earned his place fair and square, hoisted by his own petard. I do not think the public will vote him out because public interpretation of his run in with Nikki over the hidden beer is split, but give Mikey another week and he will hang himself with a rope called Imogen... which is exactly what the bloodlusty public loves to see!
The one who makes me truly uncomfortable is Lea, she has for a while, but she keeps slipping through the grate and avoiding nomination. I think people feel she is for later attention and I just wonder if it will be too late. She is very needy and it is disconcerting.
Oh, and Suzie! She is too much of a mother and that is soooo annoying! Okay for instance...
Yesterday Lisa and her were in the kitchen and Lisa wanted a drink and there were two bottles left of something (sorry I dont know what the drink was). They belonged to Suzie who very generously said she did not want them so Lisa was welcome to them. That should have been it, it was an adult exchange and very nice considering. However, she had to go and say .... as long as you check with the others if they want to share it. That is so Parent[tm]! Lisa, although an adult in her own right, totally regressed and submitted to this parent stricture and dutifully went off like a good child to check on people. Okay, so that was not enough, she comes back to Suzie and confirms her good behaviour, checks as a child would that the drink is still hers, and is assured it is .... as long as she now goes into the garden and checks with the people there too! And not only did Suzie assert this parent thing twice, she said it in various ways SIX times! And Lisa acted out her child throughout.
It is no wonder Lisa rebels, she does this from a suppressed child rage! She is all sorts of potty mouth and tempestousness but she has a good heart and if left to her own devices my guess is she would have shared the drinks anyway. Suzie challenged Lisa's intergrity. Suzie, honestly! You act the lady and enforce the mother .. you are so going to crash and burn in a house full of young adults! And even Lea is looking sideways at you... who is the matriach? Well, it could be pistols at dawn soon!
The correct transaction ended with the first sentence between Lisa and Suzie and would have mended a load of fences. Generosity does not come with a price tag!